Phoenix Lander Mission Discovers Life On Mars?

[Nokton]

Originally Posted by dmill1220

Peter,

With all due respect, Let me inform you that being a christian does not necessarily mean that you believe that the Earth is only 7,000 years old.

I am a Christian, and I sure dont believe that nonsense either, so are most of my friends, to make this association with all Christians is not only preposterous, but just down right incorrect.

Lets try to stay on topic and not go into politics or Dogma.
Astronomy is a science, and every time we try to mix science with religion and politics, the only result is anger or discontent.

To me the protocol that NASA seems to have taken seems to be a publicity stunt designed to generate more interest in Space, probably to help get more funding for future missions.

No one person here on this forum is a fool, following another fool.

Dennis

Hi Dennis, pleased contact with you. Am afraid, dear friend, I get a bit short on patience in my old age, even cantankerous at times.
If I may, Dennis, was refering to fundamentalists, whether Christian or
Muslim, whose distorted view of dogma, leads them to indulge in actions
never countenanced by their respective God.
OK Dennis, You do not believe in a 7000 year old earth, and none of my
many Christian friends do. But reported widely in US press that Palin does. Dennis, Have Muslim friends too who abhor the divide that fundamentalists create within the family of man, they have no contest
with Christians, indeed, accept that Islam has much in common with ancient belief in the one God and Abraham. The name differs only, the concept is the same, Allah or Christ, the principal the same, love your fellow man, reject evil by doing good.
My point dear friend is this, how can one who wants and believes so,
have so much faith in dogma over science. Bush tried to stifle science that not suited his belief system, from global warming to stem cell research, but yet started two wars, and much misery.
May your days be happy my friend,
Nokton

[dmill1220]

Hi Peter,

Quote:
OK Dennis, You do not believe in a 7000 year old earth, and none of my
many Christian friends do. But reported widely in US press that Palin does. Dennis, Have Muslim friends too who abhor the divide that fundamentalists create within the family of man, they have no contest
with Christians, indeed, accept that Islam has much in common with ancient belief in the one God and Abraham. The name differs only, the concept is the same, Allah or Christ, the principal the same, love your fellow man, reject evil by doing good.
My point dear friend is this, how can one who wants and believes so,
have so much faith in dogma over science. Bush tried to stifle science that not suited his belief system, from global warming to stem cell research, but yet started two wars, and much misery.
May your days be happy my friend,
Nokton end Quote:

Peter,
What is wrong my friend? Where is this proof of the claims you are making regarding Palin and Bush?

Please, lets leave politics and religion out of this discussion, The point of this thread is the Phoenix lander Mission, and I just had to bring up the funneling of any discoveries via a different protocol, that is normally not taken by NASA regarding any discoveries.

It just seems to be all Hype, just for attention and publicity, NASA needs funding, the American people need to have an interest to help continue that funding, I see this as a way to interest the general public with any Mars exploration.

Curiously we are still waiting to hear about what they think they have found, here is a link to the Phoenix Mission, NASA - Phoenix

There seems to be another new conundrum with water vapor on a sensor. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ph...x20080904.html
still no word on this, whatever it is, they have under wraps.

Dennis.

[dpab]

I am posting this as I think my previous posting did not work out .

What I was trying to say is Bush is keeping things quiet as , finally they found Jimmy Hoffa.

Ha ha
Dave

[Nokton]

Originally Posted by dmill1220

Hi Peter,

Quote:
OK Dennis, You do not believe in a 7000 year old earth, and none of my
many Christian friends do. But reported widely in US press that Palin does. Dennis, Have Muslim friends too who abhor the divide that fundamentalists create within the family of man, they have no contest
with Christians, indeed, accept that Islam has much in common with ancient belief in the one God and Abraham. The name differs only, the concept is the same, Allah or Christ, the principal the same, love your fellow man, reject evil by doing good.
My point dear friend is this, how can one who wants and believes so,
have so much faith in dogma over science. Bush tried to stifle science that not suited his belief system, from global warming to stem cell research, but yet started two wars, and much misery.
May your days be happy my friend,
Nokton end Quote:

Peter,
What is wrong my friend? Where is this proof of the claims you are making regarding Palin and Bush?

Please, lets leave politics and religion out of this discussion, The point of this thread is the Phoenix lander Mission, and I just had to bring up the funneling of any discoveries via a different protocol, that is normally not taken by NASA regarding any discoveries.

It just seems to be all Hype, just for attention and publicity, NASA needs funding, the American people need to have an interest to help continue that funding, I see this as a way to interest the general public with any Mars exploration.

Curiously we are still waiting to hear about what they think they have found, here is a link to the Phoenix Mission, NASA - Phoenix

There seems to be another new conundrum with water vapor on a sensor. NASA - Spiky Probe on NASA Mars Lander Raises Vapor Quandary
still no word on this, whatever it is, they have under wraps.

Dennis.

My dear friend, am a cantankerous old man who never suffers fools,
you not fall into that category.
My dear friend, science has been entwined with religion and politics
since before Galileo.
It ever will be. There seems to be a rising sentiment in the US to teaching schoolkids about creation as apposed to evolution.
How can science flourish in such a scenario. What is wrong with stem
cell research, it has a promise of curing debilitating disease for many.
But the God token comes into play, excuse me, am I playing God when I create a new rose, or just enhancing natural selection, and following its
path?
One thing more Dennis, my friend, am an agnostic, but spiritual, and believe in a life after death as we know it.
My love and thoughts to all who love you.
Peter

[Nokton]

Originally Posted by dmill1220

Hi Folks,

I did a little digging online at NASA's Phoenix Site to try and gain some more clues as to what all the secrecy is about regarding the latest findings.

From the article I read, it appears as though the secrecy might involve the TEGA Findings of the latest soil analysis. They seem to have found Perchlorate's.

Quote:
Perchlorate is an ion, or charged particle, that consists of an atom of chlorine surrounded by four oxygen atoms. It is an oxidant, that is, it can release oxygen, but it is not a powerful one.

Perchlorate's are found naturally on Earth at such places as Chile's hyper-arid Atacama Desert. The compounds are quite stable and do not destroy organic material under normal circumstances.

Some microorganisms on Earth are fueled by processes that involve perchlorate, and some plants concentrate the substance. Perchlorate's are also used in rocket fuel and fireworks.

Perchlorate was discovered with a multi-use sensor that detects perchlorate, nitrate and other ions.

The MECA team saw the perchlorate signal in a sample taken from the Dodo-Goldilocks trench on June 25, or Sol 30, or the 30th Martian day of the mission after landing, and again in another sample taken from the Snow White trench on July 6, or Sol 41.

When TEGA heated a sample of soil dug from the Dodo-Goldilocks trench on Sol 25 to high temperature, it detected an oxygen release, according to TEGA lead scientist William Boynton of the University of Arizona.

Perchlorate could be one of several possible sources of this oxygen.

Late last week, when TEGA analyzed another sample, this one from the Snow White trench, the TEGA team looked for chlorine gas. The instrument detected none.

"Had they seen it, the identification of perchlorate would be absolutely clear, but in this run they did not see any chlorine gas.

Apparently they may have been analyzing a perchlorate salt that doesn't release chlorine gas upon heating," Boynton said. "There's nothing in the TEGA data that contradicts MECA's finding of perchlorate."
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Well I find this extremely interesting, and from what I can gather by putting the pieces together we have confirmed water ice with the Phoenix mission and when the soil is heated, Oxygen is released.

It seems to me that these latest findings indicate that we may be able to make use of the Martian soil to help us with further manned exploratory missions.

I can't wait to hear what else might have been found that they are still keeping under wraps for now.

here is the link, NASA - Phoenix Mars Team Opens Window on Scientific Process

Dennis

Hi Dennis, you answered your last question yourself in the above.
Tell me, dear friend, if you were unsure of something you found but did
not understand as yet, would you yak about it to all and sundry? I think not, perhaps NASA is in that quandry. Dennis, a manned mission to Mars
is futile thinking at this time. The logistics of current technology deny your dream.
Peter

[dmill1220]

Originally Posted by dpab

I am posting this as I think my previous posting did not work out .

What I was trying to say is Bush is keeping things quiet as , finally they found Jimmy Hoffa.

Ha ha
Dave

That was a good one! It may also be that we finally found out where all the left handed socks that are washing machines seem to lose, end up.
ROFL
Dennis

[Nokton]

Hi Dennis old friend,
You remind me of long ago, when I read Alice through
the looking glass, and also of Sods law, when something can go wrong,
it will,at the worst moment. You ever been driving down a deserted country lane, you come to a sharp bend, and another vehicle coming the other way is there at the same time, Sods law.
If I may Dennis, Was reading about Mega solar flares in a New Scientist other day, and the potential damage they can inflict on our way of life now, by knocking out sats eg, and also computer driven support systems.
Seems we have nothing in place to counter this, even though we are well
aware of the threat. You comments and opinion, as always, valued.
Peter