Physicists In Japan Plan To Create New Universe In Lab

[Dragon Star]

A radical new project could permit human beings to create a "baby universe" in a laboratory in Japan. While it sounds like a dangerous undertaking, the physicists involved believe that if the project is successful, the space-time around a tiny point within our universe will be distorted in such a way that it will begin to form a new superfluid space, and eventually break off, separate in all respects from our experience of space and time, causing no harm to the fabric of our universe.

http://www.casavaria.com/sentido/sci...w-universe.htm

To be honest, that is kinda scary. I suggest you go to the link and read it all.

[ozzmoziz]

no kidding just what i read is scary,,, i mean man made h bombs what will they think of next ?

[Dragon Star]

It's crazy to think that our universe may have been created by some species who had nothing better to do.

[Blue Fire]

Originally Posted by Dragon Star

It's crazy to think that our universe may have been created by some species who had nothing better to do.

And the implication if this experiment is sucessful is that we may be creating life (if the baby universe goes on to be something similar to ours) for the first time from scratch, really scratch. Hmmm...

[Dragon Star]

It will (hopefully) be in a controlled environment and will be destroyed shortly thereafter though...and no matter will be created (as you know, no matter can be created or destroyed) in it so that is kinda irrelevant anyways.

But note that this isn't for sure or anything, it's just speculation made by theoretical scientists who really don't know what will happen, I don't believe they will be allowed to mess with something that powerful until we know much more.

[Blue Fire]

Originally Posted by Dragon Star

It will (hopefully) be in a controlled environment and will be destroyed shortly thereafter though...and no matter will be created (as you know, no matter can be created or destroyed) in it so that is kinda irrelevant anyways.

But at the start of Our universe, wasn't matter/energy created from the vacuum energy? And the clear implication from a previous post of yours:

it will begin to form a new superfluid space, and eventually break off, separate in all respects from our experience of space and time, causing no harm to the fabric of our universe.

is that the baby universe is expected to slip its ties with our universe rather quickly, and not be destroyed.

But note that this isn't for sure or anything, it's just speculation made by theoretical scientists who really don't know what will happen, I don't believe they will be allowed to mess with something that powerful until we know much more.

Indeed, all this is looking to me to be rather academic. It is even making me suspicious of the original article now since the link to it no longer works (at least I can't get it to go anywhere), and I can't seem to find any further references or details on it at all anymore. I'm wondering if these folks decided to quietly fade away from public scrutiny for some reason?

[Dragon Star]

Originally Posted by Blue Fire

But at the start of Our universe, wasn't matter/energy created from the vacuum energy?

Nope, laws of mass-energy conservation:

All matter is composed of atoms of the various elements, and the total number of atoms in the universe remains constant. That is, you can rearrange the existing atoms in any way you like, but you cannot cause additional atoms to materialize, nor can you cause existing atoms to disappear.

the total amount of energy (including potential energy) in an isolated system remains constant. In other words, energy can be converted from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. In modern physics, all forms of energy exhibit mass and all mass is a form of energy.

is that the baby universe is expected to slip its ties with our universe rather quickly, and not be destroyed.

Because this baby universe is to be in an controlled environment, we will also have a way to destroy it because we can't just let it exist forever, this, being one of the reasons this will likely never happen.

Indeed, all this is looking to me to be rather academic. It is even making me suspicious of the original article now since the link to it no longer works (at least I can't get it to go anywhere), and I can't seem to find any further references or details on it at all anymore. I'm wondering if these folks decided to quietly fade away from public scrutiny for some reason?

Hmm...I don't know.

[Blue Fire]

Originally Posted by Dragon Star

Nope, laws of mass-energy conservation:

Then where did the mass/energy come from in order for the big bang to happen?

All matter is composed of atoms of the various elements, and the total number of atoms in the universe remains constant.

But atoms, and even the protons, neutrons, and electrons that make up atoms themselves, were only formed "after" the the initial Bang when the universe was cool enough and density decreased enough to allow it.

Because this baby universe is to be in an controlled environment, we will also have a way to destroy it because we can't just let it exist forever, this, being one of the reasons this will likely never happen.

I still say that nothing in the original article indicated that the experimenters would have a way to destroy it - their detection of it would over so short a period as to not be able to do anything with it before it broke it's ties with our universe altogether. And, if this baby universe does indeed separate from ours, why can't we let it exist? Plus, if (big if) our universe was created this way, then somebody obviously let the cat out of the bag.

[Dragon Star]

Originally Posted by Blue Fire

Then where did the mass/energy come from in order for the big bang to happen?

We don't know. But space/energy was alive before BB from what we can tell.

But atoms, and even the protons, neutrons, and electrons that make up atoms themselves, were only formed "after" the the initial Bang when the universe was cool enough and density decreased enough to allow it.

True, the formed from quark-gluon plasma after the universe cooled to 10 million degrees.

The reason I said you were incorrect from my quote in my last post is that energy doesn't create energy, all the energy that is in our universe was there from BB to now, and remains the same. Nothing can produce more energy, nothing can take it away. My point is Matter/Energy isn't created, but are essentially the same thing in different forms that have different properties.

BB is actually an extremely misleading term, because their was no "BANG!" It was just a sudden period of rapid inflation in the universe, and because all the energy/matter that was and ever will be was condensed into such a tiny point, it was very hot from all the friction. This heat prevented anything (matter as we know it) from forming. The universe that is proposed to be created will be controlled, and very small, thus it will be too extreme from matter to form after a singularity.

And besides that, from the article it sound like they only want to pinch off some of our universe into making another, so no singularity is actually there.

[Blue Fire]

Thanks for the reply, Dragonstar, I think you addressed all my questions.