Go Back   Extreme Astronomy > Astronomy > General Astronomy
Home Forums Image Gallery Videos Links

Notices

General Astronomy Discuss topics related to Astronomy.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-10-2008
pranab's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: MahamayaTala, Garia, Kolkata-86, India
Posts: 17
Does Universe Possess An Axis?

Does the CMB map of our observable universe shows that universe is arranged in a special axis when hot and cold spots are arranged in octapole and quadrapole and if it is so the CMB map is contaminated by some nearby staff that either emits or absorb microwave except the disk.
Professor Pranab Kumar Bhattacharya and Miss Aindrila Mukherjee

Last edited by Darryl; 01-11-2008 at 09:45 AM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-10-2008
Dragon Star's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lake Mary, FL
Posts: 362
Send a message via MSN to Dragon Star
Can you elaborate just a little? I want to be sure I understand what you're looking for.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-11-2008
pranab's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: MahamayaTala, Garia, Kolkata-86, India
Posts: 17
Does Universe Possess an Axis?

According to the current theory, the Universe popped up into existance infininitely dense and hot and crammed with light and subatomic elementary particles. Within 10*-33 seconds inflation stretched it immensely. Before its expansion it showed to more leisurly pace inflation evened out the temperature of the universe, stretched space as flat as a taut bedsheet and diluted to nothing the numbers of certain pesky patrticles.The CMB map showed the stretching, magnified tiny quantum fluctuation in the soup of fundamental particles creating slight variation in the density of matter, began to coalesec into denser spots, setting off a slosshing of light & matter & leading to tiny temperature variation. These are the same variation conveyed by CMB, which began shining through cooling of universe 400,000 years. After Big Bang when light trapping protons & electrons combined to form Transparent Hydrogen
If you look at the CMB map of observable universe minutely you will see that universe is arrayed as if it lies in a special axis, when the hot and cold spots of the universe are arrayed in octapole of the CMB map and the axis is parpendicular to the axis of the solar systems.hOwever it is only our observation. If it becomes correct than the CMB mapshould be contaminated by some nearby staff that either emmits or absorb the Microwave. and what is that?
Professor Pranab Kumar Bhattacharya

Last edited by Darryl; 01-11-2008 at 09:42 AM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-11-2008
Dragon Star's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lake Mary, FL
Posts: 362
Send a message via MSN to Dragon Star
Thanks. Hmmm. That's a good question, and one I'm not knowledgeable enough on the subject to give any sort of sufficient answer. However, I did some research to see what could absorb microwave for military applications. This is what I found:

Link.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-11-2008
Darryl's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Duncan, BC, Canada
Posts: 227
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Star View Post
Thanks. Hmmm. That's a good question, and one I'm not knowledgeable enough on the subject to give any sort of sufficient answer. However, I did some research to see what could absorb microwave for military applications. This is what I found:

Link.
I think he may have been referring to some other object(s) in space, not on the ground. So the question is what type of object(s) are emitting microwaves to interfere with the Map of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation(CMB).

Quote:
If it becomes correct than the CMB mapshould be contaminated by some nearby staff that either emits or absorb the Microwave. and what is that?
__________________
Darryl
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-12-2008
Dragon Star's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lake Mary, FL
Posts: 362
Send a message via MSN to Dragon Star
I was just pointing out that those are some things that we've created which hold the same purpose, if the same mechanism exists in space, there can only be so many ways for it to happen.

Who knows, but science will tell.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-21-2008
dmill1220's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Raymond NH
Posts: 364
Quote:
Originally Posted by pranab View Post
According to the current theory, the Universe popped up into existance infininitely dense and hot and crammed with light and subatomic elementary particles. Within 10*-33 seconds inflation stretched it immensely. Before its expansion it showed to more leisurly pace inflation evened out the temperature of the universe, stretched space as flat as a taut bedsheet and diluted to nothing the numbers of certain pesky patrticles.The CMB map showed the stretching, magnified tiny quantum fluctuation in the soup of fundamental particles creating slight variation in the density of matter, began to coalesec into denser spots, setting off a slosshing of light & matter & leading to tiny temperature variation. These are the same variation conveyed by CMB, which began shining through cooling of universe 400,000 years. After Big Bang when light trapping protons & electrons combined to form Transparent Hydrogen
If you look at the CMB map of observable universe minutely you will see that universe is arrayed as if it lies in a special axis, when the hot and cold spots of the universe are arrayed in octapole of the CMB map and the axis is parpendicular to the axis of the solar systems.hOwever it is only our observation. If it becomes correct than the CMB mapshould be contaminated by some nearby staff that either emmits or absorb the Microwave. and what is that?
Professor Pranab Kumar Bhattacharya
Hi Pranab,

I find this polarization a bit disturbing, if the CMB is corrupted then our age calculations could be way off! combine this with a dark matter halo that must exist around our galaxy and the incalculable interactions of dark matter and dark energy with light, it would seem to me that we could have the age of the universe completely wrong. even the expansion or acceleration of our universe could be way off.

I find it intriguing that light is not constant when moving through different mediums, yet dark matter and dark energy which are a medium of sorts effect not only light but matter also is effected, could it be that we are gazing through a cloud of dark matter and dark energy fields that have skewed our interpretations?

We always point to the CMB as proof that our Doppler redshift measurements and interpretations of cosmic expansion rates are correct, now if this is corrupted by something else that we dont know about, I have serious doubts about the age of our Universe.

I was just postulating the idea that a dark matter cloud that must surround us and dark energy, are both combining to throw of our observations or instruments
Since we know nothing about this exotic matter and energy how could this be ruled out?

This has left me with more questions and doubts about the age and expansion of our Universe.
__________________
Dennis Miller
Raymond NH
12 Celestron Starhopper
10 Celestron Starhopper
6 inch Celestron ASGT refractor
8 inch Celstron SCT
Meade DSI
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 02-01-2008
pranab's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: MahamayaTala, Garia, Kolkata-86, India
Posts: 17
COBE or CMB does not give us true age of Universe

Gravitational waves had been obiviously generated in the very early universe before any star or galaxy formed mainly as a consiquence of Expansion of universe. In the later case these waves must provided a back ground signal of gravitational waves coming from all direction of space. Gravitational waves are not only the known cosmic sources of cosmic noice in the universe. Most famously the universe is filled with Background of electromagnatic radiations left behind the Hot Big Bang. It has now cooled to its present temperature of about 2.7 Kelvin by subsiquent expansion of universe. In 1992 COBE reported its measurement of spectrum of microwave background and found it to have a perfect Black body form with a charecteristic tempertature that had tiny variation across the sky_ the seeds of galaxies formation. Subsiquent Experiments by NASA follow up WMAP( Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe) mission had provided a deatailed piicture. Any Background of relic particles provides us with a snapshot of the Universe at a very definite time- The time at which these particles decoupled from primoridial plasma. For Photons of cosmic microwave background this happened when universe was just 2,70,000 years old. The photons we see today in CMB is therefore true photograph of the universe at that age only. Weakly interacting Neutrinos decoupled when the universe was about a second old. So We think it is better to mesure the age of universe by Gravitational Particles than by COBE or CMB
Professor Pranab Kumar Bhattacharya
UniPathos.com - Home
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 02-01-2008
Dragon Star's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lake Mary, FL
Posts: 362
Send a message via MSN to Dragon Star
Quote:
Originally Posted by pranab View Post
Gravitational waves had been obiviously generated in the very early universe before any star or galaxy formed mainly as a consiquence of Expansion of universe. In the later case these waves must provided a back ground signal of gravitational waves coming from all direction of space. Gravitational waves are not only the known cosmic sources of cosmic noice in the universe. Most famously the universe is filled with Background of electromagnatic radiations left behind the Hot Big Bang. It has now cooled to its present temperature of about 2.7 Kelvin by subsiquent expansion of universe. In 1992 COBE reported its measurement of spectrum of microwave background and found it to have a perfect Black body form with a charecteristic tempertature that had tiny variation across the sky_ the seeds of galaxies formation. Subsiquent Experiments by NASA follow up WMAP( Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe) mission had provided a deatailed piicture. Any Background of relic particles provides us with a snapshot of the Universe at a very definite time- The time at which these particles decoupled from primoridial plasma. For Photons of cosmic microwave background this happened when universe was just 2,70,000 years old. The photons we see today in CMB is therefore true photograph of the universe at that age only. Weakly interacting Neutrinos decoupled when the universe was about a second old. So We think it is better to mesure the age of universe by Gravitational Particles than by COBE or CMB
Professor Pranab Kumar Bhattacharya
UniPathos.com - Home
Interesting idea, that is, as soon as we detect the graviton.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright © 2005-2008 Extreme Astronomy. All Rights Reserved.